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Walk-on |
I got tired of making 20-25k a year. I went back to school at night and worked everyday. 5 years later I am making aver double what I was making, own a house,a nd have a student loan. I want to keep my money, not give it away to some bum that wants to sit on the couch watching TV, smoking a bong, and drinking beer all day. That's why I vote Republican. Less taxes mean more money for all that work and pay into the system.
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Heisman hopeful 2004 |
"From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs." Does that quote from the father of communist socialism sum up how you feel about it? You have a skewed definition of "fair" IMO. Is it fair that one person pay the government 10 million to receive, in all likelihood, fewer services than the person paying 1 thousand? |
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Red-shirt Freshman |
Watch out Doc!! Tatersalad says, "that ain't Socialism". |
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Senior |
Where does this idea that all of your tax dollars are just used as handouts to the poor and undeserving come from?
I think a little more than half of it pays for the military. Big chunks pay for keeping your country safe in other ways, FTA, FDA, FBI, CIA etc. Billions of dollars go to local state and city governments to help pay for projects ranging from sewage, to roadways to housing. I'd guess that far more of your tax money ends up in the bank account of unethical overcharging contractors than poor people. And social security? Don't go there, most of the greatest generation depends on that just to get by living miserably. "Do you know what nemesis means? A righteous infliction of retribution manifested by an appropriate agent, personified in this case by a horrible c*nt, me." |
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Walk-on |
Oh, and I pay for my own health insurance at the tune of $2500/yr. When, and if ever, I need an operation I would prefer not to be put on a waiting list like in one of the socialist countries that liberals are so fond on mentioning.
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Senior |
The only thing that cutting taxes without cutting spending increases is the deficit. It is a fact that tax burden of the middle and lower income classes has increased since the 1980's while the tax burden of the upper income classes has dropped. |
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Heisman hopeful 2004 |
I've always considered you a fairly intelligent guy...one that I don't always agree with, but well thought out posts most of the time. After the statements in this thread, and particularly this post, I don't think I can go on reading your posts with the same mindset. American capitalism is a complete failure..  ..what a joke. |
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Junior 2004, 2007 |
American capitalism and laissez-faire are different philosophies. And America was founded on mercantilism, not capitalism. Just like everything else, we tweak systems to try and make things better. The tweaking of the tax structure is no different. |
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Junior 2004, 2007 |
If you can't, or refuse to, discern the difference I'm pointing out, by all means, continue with the rhetoric. But just as conservatives have pointed out for months that we weren't technically in a recession (based on the definition), it's only fair to point out that a progressive tax structure doesn't fit the historical definition of socialism. What's good for the goose... |
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Senior |
Please show where I said any money should be given to anyone. If we need 15 million for the military, for example, and we have the 2 taxpayers, one making 10k and one making 100 million, where is that 15 million going to come from? Who benefits from that? Are the benefits equal? If the guy making 100 million owns 100 million acres of land valued a $1 per acre, doesn't he put a larger demand on the military to protect his land? Doesn't he put a larger demand on the fire dept, the police dept, etc. to protect his holdings? Why is it inherently unfair to tax people at different rates? Why do you immediately go for the lowest common denominator and say that a progressive income tax is a socialist wealth redistribution scheme? It's a stupidly simplistic way to discuss things. But this is what rich people are doing to you. They're saying that you need to pay more in taxes so they can pay less. They are saying that your children and grandchildren need to pay more in taxes so they can pay less. If the progressive income tax system is a socialistic wealth redistribution scheme what is the system that we have now that crushes the economy with debt and deficit so that those in the top 1% can have their taxes cut? |
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Senior |
I understand the tax system perfectly. My example is a simplified version of why a progressive income tax system is not inherently unfair. It's a non sequitir to say that the upper 10 % pays most of the taxes. Even if we had a flat tax of 10% on all incomes, the upper 10% would pay most of the taxes. |
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Red-shirt Freshman |
Tater: I'm coming to the opinion that you don't think that Groovething can defend himself. Check this thread and you'll notice that after every address to Groovething, you answer for him. Now Doc said that Groove was a "fairly intelligent" person, so why not let him lead in some of his responses?..JMHO |
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Heisman hopeful 2004 |
According to the 2008 Index of Economic Freedom, the US is the 4th most ecomony in the world representative of the laissez-faire philosophy. Moreover, Groove Thing was obviously referring to the American economic/political philosophy with his post, the one I was replying to. |
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Senior |
If you have no children, should you pay a school tax? If you have no children, is it fair that others get tax deductions for their children? Why should childless people subsidize the lifestyle choices of those that have chosen to have children? What do you mean by services? Seems like people with more to lose benefit a great deal from things that empower their lifestyles/businesses such as highways, infrastructure, national defense, an educated populace from which to draw workers, etc. Now if you're talking about foodstamps and aid to dependent children, yes, the lower income people will benefit from that more than the higher income people but only focusing on these types of services amounts to class warfare and seeks to divert attention from the fact that the lower and middle classes are being asked to shoulder more and more of the tax burden so as to finance tax cuts for the upper income brackets. |
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