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Junior |
The bill currently before the Congress is an AMNESTY bill no matter how it is painted. Nobody should be rewarded for breaking the law. But this bill does that. For example, the proposed Z visa for amnestied illegals can be renewed time and again for up to 18 years. That is a free ride any way you read it!
Sure, there is a $5,000 fine for some of the 15 million or so amnestied illegals – provided the law is enforced and fines collected! The law isn’t enforced today, so why are we expected to believe it will be under this bill? And do we really need 400,000 new foreign guest workers who will also bring in their spouses? Their wives, of course, will have babies and there is nothing in this bill to prevent them from becoming automatic US citizens and further draining our welfare and health systems. The Heritage Foundation estimates that this misguided bill would cost me and my fellow tax payers $2 TRILLION dollars!!! I urge you to support legislation that has as its priorities – the enforcement of our borders; the apprehension and deportation of illegal aliens; and the punishment of companies that hire illegal aliens. Nobody who came here illegally should be rewarded with anything but a trip back to their home country and a permanent ban on ever entering the US again. Your thoughts? |
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"Soli Deo Gloria" 1987 |
The best way to solve this problem is by fining businesses that are employing those who are entering our country illegally.
Have you ever considered that your relatives probably came here illegally? Heck, the American Indians should fine us all. It was their land first. My family came over from Ireland. We're all mutts. Should we not allow any aliens into our country or just those who are less desirable and how would you decide? Canada owns more major corporations in America than any other country. Should we send them back? What about Japan. They have almost as many aliens in America and businesses in America as Canada. They have to go too. Think this through bro. Born to Kvetch! |
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Sophomore |
So we're supposed to open our schools, hospitals, welfare and security with open arms to people that DO NOT pay into the system. I think not. I will tell my senators to vote NO on amnesty for outlaws. You stated that we all came from somewhere else and that we are all immigrants, that was in a different time and situation, back in the early days and up until the last 30-40 years everyone was expected to pull their own weight and contribute to the system of this great country. Thats not the case today. The immigrant's of this nation have so many more perks than a naturalized citizen its unreal. Also have you ever checked the immigration policys into Mexico and how much more stringent on aleins coming and taking their jobs? Probably not huh? It's worth you looking at. I'm not against anyone, I don't care what color or creed they are that is trying to better themselves, but I want them to go by the laws of THIS country, they must learn the language, the history,customs and be productive citizens. If that is to much to ask for then I sorry you need to stay at home.
The sleeping giant has awakened and it's name is the Crimson Tide |
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Red-shirt Freshman |
You are dead on bamaman12. However, I think we have lost the battle on the illegals that are already here. I think right now we need to concentrate on stopping more from coming in. Fining businesses is a start. We also need to finish that wall. But I know how you feel. It makes me mad as hell that nobody is listening to us on this issue.
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Sophomore |
Thanks Rondo, we need to let our government offials know that we're not behind this bill at all.Write you congressmen and senators and let them know that this is not acceptable.
The sleeping giant has awakened and it's name is the Crimson Tide |
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Red-shirt Freshman |
You bet I'm going to. Have already called. Everyone should call or write their congressman and tell them that their job is on the line if they don't listen to the people.
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Red-shirt Freshman |
Senators and Congressmen who support this bill are traitors to the American people, pure and simple. They should be dealt with as such.
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Freshman UA Grad 1997 |
They will never "pay into the system" unless we legalize them. They are already here. They are buying a lot of stuff. There are working hard for little wages. At least if they were legal they'd be paying taxes. I understand there are a lot of strong feelings against this. It's a tough problem with no easy solution. I don't know how I feel about the whole thing. |
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Heisman hopeful |
You don't understand.. That is exactly why they are here in the first place.. Greedy employers that want to cut corners don't want employees around that they have to pay Social Security tax on.. They would prefer to keep it a 2-party transaction by dealing in cash and cutting Uncle Sam out of the deal.. A lot of those same greedy employers (both large and small) also contribute huge sums of election money to keep this arrangement going.. As soon as the current crop gets it's amnesty/legalization then they are of no value anymore to a hyper-efficient, cost-aware, employer because they would be required to pay Social Security tax on them.. That's no good...so they will dump their former "undocumented" slaves for the new crop of "undocumented" slaves that will be making a mad dash for the border/seas/airports in the hopes that they can squeeze in to take advantage of the amnesty before the drawbridge closes.. You'll now have a new crop of "undocumented" workers congregating around (whose backgrounds are completely unknown, I might add) who will have to wait for the next amnesty in about 7 years (there have actually been several minor amnesties granted since Ronald Reagan's "one-time only" amnesty in 1986).. Unfortunately, this has been a perpetual cycle for the past 20 years.. You can bank on the fact that there will be another amnesty in a few years just like this one unless the average American finally stands up to the criminals in the federal government by just saying "NO!" to amnesty. |
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Senior |
The question is one of assimilation. Will these people and their descendents become fully American or will they always possess a divided loyalty between this country and their old one? You’re now American, and not Irish (as far as loyalty goes). Will the same be able to be said of these newer arrivals in 25, 50, or 75 years? There are differences between the current immigration and mass immigrations of the past. These newer people return home with far greater frequency, and modern communications make it easy to stay in touch with those back home. They are therefore not as isolated from the old country as were immigrants of 100 years ago. Whereas immigrants of the past came to America intending to make a permanent move, many of the current immigrants have every intention of returning home once financially able to do so. Their continuing commitment (and in particular, the degree of that commitment) to the old country raises a very real question regarding the loyalty of these future Americans to their new country. They are also of a different culture than ourselves. Previous mass immigrations were primarily from European countries of a Western orientation. Yes, there have been large numbers of Orthodox Russians, Chinese, etc, but never in any previous era had these peoples constituted the bulk of new arrivals. The bulk of the current immigrants are Latin American, not Western, and differ from us in the West in their values, their views on rights and liberties, their social relations, their expectations and ideas concerning government, etc. These differences have been centuries in the making and will not easily be assimilated. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- L'exclu... Je me souviens |
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Red-shirt Freshman |
I hope that nobody calls me a "conspiracy theorist," but someone probably will.
This IS part of a conspiracy to destroy the American middle class. Further, to destroy the middle class in the entire world. Even further, to abolish even the concept of personal liberty. This is part of global Fascism that is rapidly enveloping the planet Earth. You don't believe me? Warrantless wiretaps in the USA. Cameras EVERYWHERE in the UK, and increasingly here in the "home of the free." Drone aircraft, (supposedly) originally developed for military use, increasingly used for "civilian purposes." Your every financial transaction cataloged by mega-computers owned by corporate America, and by extension the government. And don't forget the RFID tags, that are starting to track EVERY SINGLE consumer product sold in the world. There's even talk of putting the tags into currency, so that a government agent can ride by your house, and count your money from the street. Judicial appointees that SIDE WITH THE POLICE EVERY SINGLE TIME. The so-called PATRIOT Act. Extremist flames fanned from every direction. The politization of the the American judiciary. Electronic voting machines, with NO audit trail. Increasing mergers of mega-conglomerates. (Remember, back in the day, the government broke up AT&T, with great fanfare. Now, AT&T has been reconstituted with little notice.) Media monopilization is on the upsurge. Pretty soon there will be a single media company in the world, if things continue at the current rate. Unprecedented government secrecy. We have "free speech zones." Remember when the entire USA was a free speech zone? The abolition of the Writ Of Habeas Corpus -- meaning you can be LOCKED UP INDEFINITELY WITHOUT CHARGES. The "dumbing down" of so-called news networks that report on nothing more than American Idol, and Anna Nicole Smith's will. They are making us dumber on purpose, so that we will NOT QUESTION AUTHORITY! At the same time, they've quit inspecting our food and drugs. They are selling us poisoned food from China and crooked US corporations, all in the name of mega-profits. Maybe that sounds like a bunch of unrelated, CRAZY topics, but I'm telling you that they are ALL RELATED. Fascism is coming down FAST. Wake up or die under tyranny. PS -- Roll Tide. |
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All-SEC |
I have no problem with someone who wants to come here and make a better life for themselves, AS LONG AS IT IS DONE LEGALLY. Bottom line on this situation is that these people have broken our laws, plain and simple. There should be no reward for their actions and they dang well ought to be punished for it. I do agree with the $5,000 fine and registration, but they should be sent back and allowed to go through the legal process to enter this country.
Punishing employers can work, but do you honestly think that if these people were left jobless in this country it would accomplish anything? Let's see, I can be jobless in the greatest country on this planet or go back to Mexico and be jobless / homeless - if it were me, I would camp out in the city park in the good old U.S. - eventually someone is going to give me what I need and I can always get work cutting grass or washing cars for cash... The only way to get them out of here is to round them up and send them home! Try to go to another country in this world illegally and see what happens to you... |
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Heisman hopeful |
Don't leave the house dude....someone is watching you.  _______________________________________________________________ To do is to be - Descartes To be is to do - Voltaire Do be do be do - Sinatra |
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Heisman hopeful |
That's not entirely true. I know plenty of legit contractors that have no choice but to hire what is available. In most places, you cannot run a construction business with out Mexican labor, and every one of them has a driver’s license and has the required documentation. That's not to say that some or most aren't illegal, just that they have the proper documents to be working in America. It is simply impossible to get reliable truly American labor. Contractors I know have tried and they end up with strung out druggies or lazy POS's that are looking for a disability case. Absolutely nothing reliable. I guess people just think things build themselves or pick themselves. Best case is fine the ones already here and prevent further illegal immigration. You can't simply deport our labor force. We would go into the worst kind of depression. I wonder how many people on this forum are jobless because of a Mexican immigrant. _______________________________________________________________ To do is to be - Descartes To be is to do - Voltaire Do be do be do - Sinatra |
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