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I'll say this; I'm planning on voting for Obama, but had Condoleezza Rice been running against Hillary for example, I wouldn't vote for Rice. So I don't think the fact that Obama is black influenced my decision to vote for him.


Regardless of who a person votes for or against, to do it because of race alone is just plain STUPID. I knwo someone earlier in this thread said the same thing but it's certainly worth repeating. I certainly respect those of you who have done your homework and have a specific reason for voting for Barack Hussien Obama. Those who vote for him just because he is going to bring change, without knowing what that change is really need to get their act together in get informed before Nov.
 
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Question? If someone votes for a person just because he's black, is that racism?

If someone votes for McCain just because he's white, is that racism?


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Question? If someone votes for a person just because he's black, is that racism?

If someone votes for McCain just because he's white, is that racism?


Yes and Yes.
 
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Question? If someone votes for a person just because he's black, is that racism?

If someone votes for McCain just because he's white, is that racism?


Yes and Yes.


Well sit back and enjoy racism at its finest then.
A recent ABC News/Washington Post Poll suggest that 3 out of 10 Americans admit that race will play a factor in their voting descision


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Don't be silly Drivel Know.

They're voting for him because he has big ears.
 
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Question? If someone votes for a person just because he's black, is that racism?

If someone votes for McCain just because he's white, is that racism?

If a powerful group conspires to act together to oppress a disempowered racial group, that's racism.

If the disempowered racial group bands together to try to fight against the oppression by a powerful group, that's not racism.
 
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Question? If someone votes for a person just because he's black, is that racism?

If someone votes for McCain just because he's white, is that racism?

If a powerful group conspires to act together to oppress a disempowered racial group, that's racism.

If the disempowered racial group bands together to try to fight against the oppression by a powerful group, that's not racism.


its all racism, sugar coat it however you want.


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You can't deal in absolutes here. There is a distinction of motive. If a minority votes for a minority candidate because of an innate association and an understandable pride (keep in mind, we have never had an African American president, and very, very few senators or governors), then you have to be narrow-minded to consider this "racism." Jews vote for Jews. Latinos vote for Latinos. Women vote for women. There is nothing sinister about this. If a person votes not for one candidate but against another, as a result of skin color or ethnicity, then yes. Also, keep in mind that John Kerry raked in 88% of the black vote in '04. This is the most reliable voting bloc for the democratic party. And Hollywood undeniably tilts democratic.

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the fact that NONE of them have a clue as to what it is exactly he plans to do if elected makes one wonder.

This is hyperbolic. There are several intelligent, thoroughly researched Obama supporters here. I know it is almost gospel on this board that Obama's proponents are naive, but its fair to say that both sides have their share of low information voters.


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This is hyperbolic. There are several intelligent, thoroughly researched Obama supporters here. I know it is almost gospel on this board that Obama's proponents are naive, but its fair to say that both sides have their share of low information voters.[/QUOTE]

This is very accurate and profound. The "thoroughly researched B.O. supporters" are at a distinct advantage in thier research, they only have to sort out 143 days as a US senator, 7 years as a state senator, the 4 years as a low income project manager for Tony Rezko.

The McCain supporters have >40 years of service to this country to sort through.


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The McCain supporters have >40 years of service to this country to sort through.

First of all, he is running against the status quo, against Washington, against lobbyists, against the politics of yesterday. In this year of "change," when 80 something percent believe this country is on the wrong track, Obama's brand is frankly more salient than that of a seasoned politician.

But this is a concern for a lot of people. Will he cross that readiness threshold? The man is a born leader. He is not just an orator (although I for one welcome eloquence and intellect in a president), but a master delegator. He has 300 foreign policy advisors, thousands of paid staffers, tens of thousands of volunteers, millions of donors - basically a quarter billion dollar company - and he is running his campaign seamlessly. McCain, with all his worldly experience, with all his years in Washington, is running a sloppy campaign. And the candidate himself continues to make gaffes or distortions on foreign policy. Maybe you don't like Obama, and experience is a legitimate criterion. Some have said this election is a referendum on Obama, just as 1980 was a referendum on Reagan, a Washington outsider who appeared to know little of world affairs. Our day is no less volatile, and the public needs to be reassured. I don't like this reality because it positions McCain as the safe, default choice, and so relatively little scrutiny is shown him. This election will pivot on one question: Is Obama ready? He's the much more attractive 21st century candidate, but until the people are confident in his competence, the race will stay close. With such a grueling, scrutinized campaign season, if you're still using this nebulous excuse (i.e., experience) in November, then you haven't really been paying attention.

One parting note: Teddy Roosevelt and Jack Kennedy were younger than Obama. Abraham Lincoln was just as inexperienced. Lincoln was also a lawyer, who served in the Illinois state legislature. He was a United States congressman for only two years before ascending to the Presidency.


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The McCain supporters have >40 years of service to this country to sort through.

First of all, he is running against the status quo, against Washington, against lobbyists, against the politics of yesterday. In this year of "change," when 80 something percent believe this country is on the wrong track, Obama's brand is frankly more salient than that of a seasoned politician.

But this is a concern for a lot of people. Will he cross that readiness threshold? The man is a born leader. He is not just an orator (although I for one welcome eloquence and intellect in a president), but a master delegator. He has 300 foreign policy advisors, thousands of paid staffers, tens of thousands of volunteers, millions of donors - basically a quarter billion dollar company - and he is running his campaign seamlessly. McCain, with all his worldly experience, with all his years in Washington, is running a sloppy campaign. And the candidate himself continues to make gaffes or distortions on foreign policy. Maybe you don't like Obama, and experience is a legitimate criterion. Some have said this election is a referendum on Obama, just as 1980 was a referendum on Reagan, a Washington outsider who appeared to know little of world affairs. Our day is no less volatile, and the public needs to be reassured. I don't like this reality because it positions McCain as the safe, default choice, and so relatively little scrutiny is shown him. This election will pivot on one question: Is Obama ready? He's the much more attractive 21st century candidate, but until the people are confident in his competence, the race will stay close. With such a grueling, scrutinized campaign season, if you're still using this nebulous excuse (i.e., experience) in November, then you haven't really been paying attention.

One parting note: Teddy Roosevelt and Jack Kennedy were younger than Obama. Abraham Lincoln was just as inexperienced. Lincoln was also a lawyer, who served in the Illinois state legislature. He was a United States congressman for only two years before ascending to the Presidency.
Let me be one of the first to officially welcome you and your clearly sound judgment and research ability to this board. Unfortunately, let me also be the first to advise you that you will soon find yourself responding to some of the most astonishingly ludicrous claims ever known to mankind. But I'm glad to see you here. Smiler


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