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LSWho vs. Tennessee All Time Record

7-20-3

LSWho vs. Florida State All Time Record

2-7

LSWho vs. Texas All Time Record

7-9-1

LSWho vs. Stanford All Time Record

0-1

LSWho vs. SMU All Time Record

0-1-1

LSWho vs. Sewanee All Time Record

3-6

LSWho vs. Santa Clara All Time Record

0-2

LSWho vs. Nebraska All Time Record

0-5-1

LSWho vs. Maryland All Time Record

0-3

LSWho Georgia Tech All Time Record

6-12

LSWho vs. Florida All Time Record

23-28-3

LSWho vs. Cumberland All Time Record

0-1

LSWho vs. Alabama All Time Record

23-43-5



RTR



This decade:

LSWho vs. Virginia Tech

1-1

LSWho vs. Texas

0-1

LSWho vs. Iowa

0-1

LSWho vs. Georgia

2-2

LSWho vs. Auburn

4-4

LSWho vs. Florida

4-4

LSWho vs. Arkansas

5-3



RTR


"The same things win that always won. And we just have a different bunch of excuses if we lose."--Coach Paul "Bear" Bryant
 
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Crimson Reign,

LoL you're cracking me up. All you are doing is bumping the thread to the top which is fine by me. It allows for more people to respond substenativly if they chose and are intellegent enough to gloss over your redundant waste of space posts.

At least be creative and mix it up some. Alabama has one of the richest histories in all of college football. Cant you mix up your attempts at insults? Just a little even?
 
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quote:
LSWho vs. Tennessee All Time Record

7-20-3

LSWho vs. Florida State All Time Record

2-7

LSWho vs. Texas All Time Record

7-9-1

LSWho vs. Stanford All Time Record

0-1

LSWho vs. SMU All Time Record

0-1-1

LSWho vs. Sewanee All Time Record

3-6

LSWho vs. Santa Clara All Time Record

0-2

LSWho vs. Nebraska All Time Record

0-5-1

LSWho vs. Maryland All Time Record

0-3

LSWho Georgia Tech All Time Record

6-12

LSWho vs. Florida All Time Record

23-28-3

LSWho vs. Cumberland All Time Record

0-1

LSWho vs. Alabama All Time Record

23-43-5



RTR



This decade:

LSWho vs. Virginia Tech

1-1

LSWho vs. Texas

0-1

LSWho vs. Iowa

0-1

LSWho vs. Georgia

2-2

LSWho vs. Auburn

4-4

LSWho vs. Florida

4-4

LSWho vs. Arkansas

5-3



RTR


"The same things win that always won. And we just have a different bunch of excuses if we lose."--Coach Paul "Bear" Bryant
 
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Welcome to kindergarten
 
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Saban and Butch Davis are great recruiters and they develop talent well. Coker and Lester inherited tremendous talent.

I would also add to the argument that Saban has a better eye for truly good talent that will develop the correct way. Players that are amenable to coaching and honing their skills to a professional level.

Sure, Miles has had some highly rated classes according to the services but Saban found the real hardcore players that were dedicated and committed. That group has moved on from LSU and the feet of clay will now begin to be exposed. Especially in 2009 and 2010.

For an example of the likely future direction of LSU just take a glance at the decline of Larry Coker who inherited a tremendous group of Butch Davis' recruits. Like Saban, Davis did all of the hard ground work and moved on prior to his recruits coming to their full fruition. Coker got credit for the early winning percentage, but all rational minds know that it was Butch who was responsible for the Miami juggernaut. Also, all rational minds know that it was Saban who was responsible for the LSU juggernaut of recent years and it was UNDERACHIEVING for Miles to lose two games in 2005 with all that talent and it was UNDERACHIEVING for Miles to again lose two games in 2006 and again UNDERACHIEVING with all of that talent to lose to Arkansas and Kentucky in 2007. I mean, to blow that lead at home against an average Tennessee team lead by Rick Clausen of all people was beyond pathetic and beyond forgivable.



Coker:

2001 12-0
2002 12-1
2003 11-2 (First Three Seasons= 35-3)
2004 9-3
2005 9-3
2006 7-6 Fired

Lester:

2005 11-2
2006 11-2
2007 12-2 (First Three Seasons= 34-6)
2008 10-3???/11-2/9-4???



Butch Davis 6 years at Miami=51-21 (.71831 win percentage)

Nick L. Saban 5 years at LSU=48-16 (.75000 win percentage)



Davis and Saban= The Builders, The Workers, The Creators

Coker and Lester= The Inheritors



RTR


Anyone who compares Les Miles to Larry Coker is an idiot. Miles is a much better coach. In fact, they played against each other in the Peach Bowl and Miles won 40-3 with a freaking backup QB. Yet somehow they are exactly the same?

I know you Bama fans deep down, are hoping that Miles turns into Coker which is why only Bama fans ever make this comparison, but the truth is Miles is a much better coach then everyone gives him credit for, and he's a much better coach then Coker. Coker didn't have much discipline, Miles has no such problem (as he just kicked off Perrilloux)

Face it, Miles >>> Coker.


Do you think Miles' decision at the end of the Auburn game was "good coaching"?


Yes. There was still time left on the clock even after he caught it, I don't see why that call is criticized.

Even your genius coach said it was a good call.


I feel much better now. Thanks. I'll talk to you again later this season, if you haven't committed suicide Wink
 
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They had another down if the pass was incomplete.It was thrown where only a LSU receiver could possibly get to it.
Why the hate?


There's no hate here... only happiness. Because Miles will do that stupid sh|t again. If that pass had been tipped, you guys would have ALREADY faded into mediocrity Smiler
 
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I'll still be here half way through this season when you M'F'r's are screaming for Les to be fired. It'll be fun Smiler
 
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I'll still be here half way through this season when you M'F'r's are screaming for Les to be fired. It'll be fun

Bwaaaaaahhahahhahahahahaha........Ohhhh My!
 
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Originally posted by nicco25:
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Originally posted by Crimson Reign:
Saban and Butch Davis are great recruiters and they develop talent well. Coker and Lester inherited tremendous talent.

I would also add to the argument that Saban has a better eye for truly good talent that will develop the correct way. Players that are amenable to coaching and honing their skills to a professional level.

Sure, Miles has had some highly rated classes according to the services but Saban found the real hardcore players that were dedicated and committed. That group has moved on from LSU and the feet of clay will now begin to be exposed. Especially in 2009 and 2010.

For an example of the likely future direction of LSU just take a glance at the decline of Larry Coker who inherited a tremendous group of Butch Davis' recruits. Like Saban, Davis did all of the hard ground work and moved on prior to his recruits coming to their full fruition. Coker got credit for the early winning percentage, but all rational minds know that it was Butch who was responsible for the Miami juggernaut. Also, all rational minds know that it was Saban who was responsible for the LSU juggernaut of recent years and it was UNDERACHIEVING for Miles to lose two games in 2005 with all that talent and it was UNDERACHIEVING for Miles to again lose two games in 2006 and again UNDERACHIEVING with all of that talent to lose to Arkansas and Kentucky in 2007. I mean, to blow that lead at home against an average Tennessee team lead by Rick Clausen of all people was beyond pathetic and beyond forgivable.



Coker:

2001 12-0
2002 12-1
2003 11-2 (First Three Seasons= 35-3)
2004 9-3
2005 9-3
2006 7-6 Fired

Lester:

2005 11-2
2006 11-2
2007 12-2 (First Three Seasons= 34-6)
2008 10-3???/11-2/9-4???



Butch Davis 6 years at Miami=51-21 (.71831 win percentage)

Nick L. Saban 5 years at LSU=48-16 (.75000 win percentage)



Davis and Saban= The Builders, The Workers, The Creators

Coker and Lester= The Inheritors



RTR


Anyone who compares Les Miles to Larry Coker is an idiot. Miles is a much better coach. In fact, they played against each other in the Peach Bowl and Miles won 40-3 with a freaking backup QB. Yet somehow they are exactly the same?

I know you Bama fans deep down, are hoping that Miles turns into Coker which is why only Bama fans ever make this comparison, but the truth is Miles is a much better coach then everyone gives him credit for, and he's a much better coach then Coker. Coker didn't have much discipline, Miles has no such problem (as he just kicked off Perrilloux)

Face it, Miles >>> Coker.


Do you think Miles' decision at the end of the Auburn game was "good coaching"?


Yes. There was still time left on the clock even after he caught it, I don't see why that call is criticized.

Even your genius coach said it was a good call.


I feel much better now. Thanks. I'll talk to you again later this season, if you haven't committed suicide Wink


Come on. If that was Saban, Meyer, or Spurrier making that call, it would have been considered a genius move by catching Auburn off guard. But since it was Miles, it is highly criticized.
 
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I still find the Miles / Coker comparisons laughable to this day. Since you're so hung up on making them, tell me this? Going into his 4th season, did Coker bite the bullet and dismiss his starting QB? Did Coker defeat 5 National Championship coaches in a single season, like Miles did last season?

Survery says.....ummm, nope

Don't try to give me the "Miles beat Bama when Bama was at their worst" crap either. I seem to recall Bama being 9 - 0 and ranked #5 the first time Miles and LSU came to Tuscaloosa and sent your season into a late tailspin by winning there.

I'd take some of your dismissals of Miles halfway seriously if you ever actually get around to BEATING him.
 
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That must be why you and all your corndog buddies like coming here.


"What goes around, comes around."
 
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LSU while loaded with future NFL players and a juggernaut of a team managed to:


Lose at home to a (5-6) Tennessee team after building a huge lead...lost to RICK CLAUSEN!!
One of these guys:



Then got obliterated by 20 points in the SEC Championship game.

In 2006 lost to Florida and Auburn, both games that were very winnable.

2007 of course lost to an 8-5 Kentucky team and an 8-5 Arkansas team.



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The UT game played on a Monday night after a weekend of the players helping evacuees from New Orleans. The UGA game was after 11 games with no bye week (the only time in NCAA history), And we still ran over the rest of the conference.


Corndogs....the breakfast of Champions.
 
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They had another down if the pass was incomplete.It was thrown where only a LSU receiver could possibly get to it.
Why the hate?


There's no hate here... only happiness. Because Miles will do that stupid sh|t again. If that pass had been tipped, you guys would have ALREADY faded into mediocrity Smiler


If my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle.


Corndogs....the breakfast of Champions.
 
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LSWho vs. Tennessee All Time Record

7-20-3

LSWho vs. Florida State All Time Record

2-7

LSWho vs. Texas All Time Record

7-9-1

LSWho vs. Stanford All Time Record

0-1

LSWho vs. SMU All Time Record

0-1-1

LSWho vs. Sewanee All Time Record

3-6

LSWho vs. Santa Clara All Time Record

0-2

LSWho vs. Nebraska All Time Record

0-5-1

LSWho vs. Maryland All Time Record

0-3

LSWho Georgia Tech All Time Record

6-12

LSWho vs. Florida All Time Record

23-28-3

LSWho vs. Cumberland All Time Record

0-1

LSWho vs. Alabama All Time Record

23-43-5

This decade:

LSWho vs. Virginia Tech

1-1

LSWho vs. Texas

0-1

LSWho vs. Iowa

0-1

LSWho vs. Georgia

2-2

LSWho vs. Auburn

4-4

LSWho vs. Florida

4-4

LSWho vs. Arkansas

5-3



RTR


"The same things win that always won. And we just have a different bunch of excuses if we lose."--Coach Paul "Bear" Bryant
 
Posts: 18801 | Location: Mr. Sparky is El Jefe of Tidesports. (11-9-08) "This is the way Alabama wins, not with a whimper but with a bang." | Registered: December 02, 2006Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
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LSWho vs. Tennessee All Time Record

7-20-3

LSWho vs. Florida State All Time Record

2-7

LSWho vs. Texas All Time Record

7-9-1

LSWho vs. Stanford All Time Record

0-1

LSWho vs. SMU All Time Record

0-1-1

LSWho vs. Sewanee All Time Record

3-6

LSWho vs. Santa Clara All Time Record

0-2

LSWho vs. Nebraska All Time Record

0-5-1

LSWho vs. Maryland All Time Record

0-3

LSWho Georgia Tech All Time Record

6-12

LSWho vs. Florida All Time Record

23-28-3

LSWho vs. Cumberland All Time Record

0-1

LSWho vs. Alabama All Time Record

23-43-5

This decade:

LSWho vs. Virginia Tech

1-1

LSWho vs. Texas

0-1

LSWho vs. Iowa

0-1

LSWho vs. Georgia

2-2

LSWho vs. Auburn

4-4

LSWho vs. Florida

4-4

LSWho vs. Arkansas

5-3



RTR



THIS DECADE...

'Bama

0-2 UCLA
0-1 Central Florida
0-1 Oklahoma
1-7 LSU
1-7 Auburn
1-1 Hawaii
0-1 Minnesota
3-5 Tennessee
0-3 Georgia
5-3 Miss. State
0-1 Florida St.
1-1 Univ. Louisiana@Monroe


Corndogs....the breakfast of Champions.
 
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