Not starting a rumor thread. Just read this and thought I'd share it. If even half of this is true then those AU fans have really really hit an all time low. This is could end up hurting AU far more than it will ever hurt Bama. Enjoy.
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AU85Grad:
Not sure how I am supposed to say all this but I have been advised that I needed to set the story straight given the past few weeks of revelations. The history of the rumors about the gumps and Gadsden:

1) This started when JH went to bammer at the last minute instead of AU. A coach of his had ensured AU staff that he was headed to AU and not bammer. He was aware of what AU had offered JH and his mother stuff and possibly knew that JH mom had taped AU's offer. He still felt AU was his choice. JH put on the bammer hat and the **** hit the fan at AU. Our staff called the coach and asked him what happened and he said he did not know but would have to guess that bammer "countered" AU's offer. He never said he knew that bammer had cheated but that he guessed that took place. After this, he asked JH why he went to bammer and he said that if he went to AU he thought his eligibility might have been revoked if the NCAA found out about AU's offer. JH said bammer and MSST both played it straight with him and his mom and that is why he went to bammer.

2) This incident led the AU staff to believe that they lost out on the bidding for JH and they told people that bammer had cheated. At this point, the coach could not get the corrected story out there fast enough. Irontiger knows this coach and was told the first story about how the coach thought bammer cheated. Later, irontiger was told that bammer did not commit infractions but he had already started his own rumors and his reputation grew as well as his imagination.

3) Irontiger then brought in a few of us to help spread the rumors- myself (ITAT name withheld) sherpa88, troopT and a few others and then koury. I dropped out about three months ago when I found out they had hired a PI that might have broken some laws and when I confronted iron about it he said they would send the information anonymously and no one could trace it back to him. The problem is his big mouth and he could not stop talking about it - then everyone found out about operation red dog and who was in it. After I dropped out koury joined the inside board back in March of this year as the repeat and sounding board of irontiger. The plan was simple: irontiger would start the thread and a few of us would join in and then someone would come back and verify everything irontiger has said was truthful- that is koury's job now.

4) During the past 16 months this has been going on. The MO was to stay the same in every area. Charge that recruits got new cars- Mobile was escalades and Gadsden was chargers. Start new rumors along the way about booster infractions, enticements and other benefits as much as we can. The most effective thing that irontiger came up with was that when any bammer player does something immediately tie it to an infraction. If julio and mark goes fishing a booster paid for it- it was really simple. If KK got a car immediately say a booster paid for it even though in this case they knew for sure it came from his mothers college fund for him.

Now everyone knows how this happened. Now to the why.

We all knew that CTT and staff were not going to be effective against Miles, Saban, Richt and Meyer. We had to negate one of them and the easiest one was to hit Saban. We choose him due to his proximity and volatility of our rivalry with bammer. We all really thought CNS was cheating a little (secondary type stuff)and thought if we can keep enough rumors churning we could get the NCAA to investigate or at the least keep a few recruits away from bammer. Irontiger knew this would work and said, "the idiot masses on ITAT will believe any rumor we put out about bammer because they want to believe it"! I was skeptical until I saw the masses believing every rumor even as our gang accidentally got the rumors incorrect many times- types of cars, colors and amounts of cash. Each time we told the rumor it seemed to grow and our fanbase kept believing every one of them until Michael14 and Austudent22 caught on to us and called us out for it.

You will see more revelations about this coming from multiple boards as they have started figuring out that 4-5 posters on ITAT started all these rumors. Once it went so far I told irontiger that coaches at these schools were being implicated as cheaters from the AU fanbase and that we should call it off and he said those ******* coaches were bammers and he did not care if they got called cheaters. I told him that they weren't cheaters and that they had started calling into AU's athletic department complaining about. When the PIs and reporters showed up and questioned these high school coaches about cheating for bammer they wrote AU off. This really hit the fan around March of 2009 and that is when I left irons group. I know for a fact that irons rumors cost us 2 recruits last year (one four star and one 5 star) because the coaches at there school were called cheaters by the rumors started on ITAT. Our 2009 recruiting efforts were dramatically hurt by these rumors and 2010 is looking just as bad for instate recruits.

I stayed on the fringe until last week when the PTB at AU sent word to me and irontiger that it had to stop. Irontioger stopped for a day or so and then started rehashing it all over again. He has troopT and koury doing the heavy posting now and he just "supports" the rumors instead of "initiating" them. If our own posters knew just how stupid irontiger said they were they would not follow his rumors any more.


Now, I have completed the task I was advised to do. Once PF gets to the bottom of this and the package that iron put together it will turn litigious.

WOW! I just don't know what else to say about all that. PI's breaking laws???? WOW!

Thanks for posting this. It is time the truth gets out.

Operation Orange Cat is doing our best to bring the real truth to the NCAA. A packet was sent to Indianapolis and I can tell you that the postage was more than $1.39.

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Originally posted by Window Licker:
WOW! I just don't know what else to say about all that. PI's breaking laws???? WOW!

Right. Like I said if even half of this is true...those AU fans that started all of this could be in trouble themselves.

I mean...all of this over a game played by college kids? Really?

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Originally posted by BamaBlitz:

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Originally posted by Window Licker:
WOW! I just don't know what else to say about all that. PI's breaking laws???? WOW!

Right. Like I said if even half of this is true...those AU fans that started all of this could be in trouble themselves.

I mean...all of this over a game played by college kids? Really?

What site did you get this info from? I don't see it at ITAT.

Slander.

Simple, disgusting slander.

Anybody have a good lawyer?

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Originally posted by Marshal Dillon:

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Originally posted by BamaBlitz:

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Originally posted by Window Licker:
WOW! I just don't know what else to say about all that. PI's breaking laws???? WOW!

Right. Like I said if even half of this is true...those AU fans that started all of this could be in trouble themselves.

I mean...all of this over a game played by college kids? Really?

What site did you get this info from? I don't see it at ITAT.

Tiger Droppings. LINK

I can say that this poster has been worried for a while and the Auburn posters aren't calling him out they seem to know and believe him.

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Originally posted by johnhfcm:
I can say that this poster has been worried for a while and the Auburn posters aren't calling him out they seem to know and believe him.

I did notice that too. It seems he is trying to get himself out of trouble. Said he is posting this in all of the places where he had posted the rumors.

I hope it's all true, but I really don't want them to get in trouble I just want it all to stop. I will say I feel sorry for all the chicken littles around here. And all the posting of it by some people is sad.

These guys and Finebaum and the rest of the Auburn nation has been spewing the Alabama demise for a while now due to "paying recruits" among other things. It is all lies and slander. Finebaum puts the idea out without details just to get his ratings up. Do not even put this stuff out unless you have proof to back it up. Finebaum would be good working with the Nationl Enquire or other smut rag magazines. That is what you do when you put stuff out for your listeners without knowing if its truth or not. I could care less what is "rumored" on here any more or Finebaum in regards to paying recruits. Alabama will keep getting the top recruits and the process will continue on putting Alabama back where it should be. ROLL TIDE!!!

This is just pure sad and evil. This proves the Aubs will go to any lengths to start rumors and try and get Bama in trouble. It looks like things will be traced back to AU and I honestly hope the truth comes out. This UA and AU rivarly has hit a new low, on the Aubs part, I might add. I am truly saddened by it. This is just dirty and this AU person seems to be scared, as he was involved.

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Originally posted by johnhfcm:
I hope it's all true, but I really don't want them to get in trouble I just want it all to stop. I will say I feel sorry for all the chicken littles around here. And all the posting of it by some people is sad.

If this is true then the guys who started all of this could face civil punishments (slander, libel) and if the PI broke any laws there could be criminal charges too.

Well when I said them I meant Auburn. I hope the guys that did this fry.

This is pathetic. And Alabama is supposed to have the most crazed fanbase? I honestly hope some people go to jail/get hit with civil suits to discourage this from happening in the future.

Also, I may not ever listen to Finebaum again. I generally enjoy the show because it's entertaining listening to the callers and how Finebaum treats them. The way he's casually referred to "the package" over the last two days without giving any details about what it contains, knowing that it's all ********, trying to increase his audience is infuriating.

I really wish fans could stay out of things and let the coaches and schools do their jobs. What happened to just enjoying the sport? I thought the Fulmer situation was bad but this is an all-time low for college football in the state of Alabama.

I don't think PF wants ANY part of this. He's been in enough lawsuits to steer clear of this. If you'll notice, he lets the callers do all of the implicating.

this honestly looks like there could be some civil suits w/ a good shot at winning.

He is still stoking the fire.

I think we've driven the Barn faithful over the edge, and now they're just downright insane. This needs to stop, or someone may get hurt.

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Originally posted by Window Licker:
I don't think PF wants ANY part of this. He's been in enough lawsuits to steer clear of this. If you'll notice, he lets the callers do all of the implicating.

That's my point. He keeps referring to the package without giving a single detail of what it contains. All in the world he's trying to do is get people to spread the word that he might have the damning information so others will tune in. It's disgusting and borderline unethical.

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Originally posted by cpmedic795:
These guys and Finebaum and the rest of the Auburn nation has been spewing the Alabama demise for a while now due to "paying recruits" among other things. It is all lies and slander. Finebaum puts the idea out without details just to get his ratings up. Do not even put this stuff out unless you have proof to back it up. Finebaum would be good working with the Nationl Enquire or other smut rag magazines. That is what you do when you put stuff out for your listeners without knowing if its truth or not. I could care less what is "rumored" on here any more or Finebaum in regards to paying recruits. Alabama will keep getting the top recruits and the process will continue on putting Alabama back where it should be. ROLL TIDE!!!

Finebaum hasn't "spread" any rumors. He reported what was given to him and said they were allegations and anyone can make an allegation. Get the facts straight, please.

The "allegations" sent to Finebaum are a copy of the ITAT message boards making the same implications. He's doing it to stoke the fire even more now that the NCAA verdict on the textbooks is about to be known. Fineaum is an azzhole, but a smart azzhole. He knows what it takes to piss people off in this state.

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Originally posted by legaltider:
this honestly looks like there could be some civil suits w/ a good shot at winning.

Yep. Would serve them right too.

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Originally posted by crimson crush:
The "allegations" sent to Finebaum are a copy of the ITAT message boards making the same implications. He's doing it to stoke the fire even more now that the NCAA verdict on the textbooks is about to be known. Fineaum is an azzhole, but a smart azzhole. He knows what it takes to piss people off in this state.

He said they contain tag numbers, vin numbers, etc. He is reporting, that's what he does.

Aubs are also calling recruits and telling them they are NCAA investigators.