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Originally posted by DixieH:
You associate the word ('South' in this case) inside the phrase "the South will rise" again as tangibly, racially offensive..

I didn't think "South" was the issue here. I would think the "will rise" part is what could be construed as racist.

It's the sentiment of the whole statement that has a negative connotation not the term "South."

DixieH,

Please exercise your First Amendment rights in the political forum where you belong. Don't garbage up a sports forum with your tripe.

Link is here


Opelika paper said earlier this week that they should stop saying it.

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Originally posted by Velvet Sky's Houseboy:

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Originally posted by Dr. Know:
how about keep the song and loose the football team?

What is the Football team tied to?

Mediocrity maybe?

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Originally posted by amabalA:
DixieH,

Please exercise your First Amendment rights in the political forum where you belong. Don't garbage up a sports forum with your tripe.

Why don't you STFU and learn to read the thread topic before you start running yer' trap?:

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Originally posted by DixieH:

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Originally posted by amabalA:
DixieH,

Please exercise your First Amendment rights in the political forum where you belong. Don't garbage up a sports forum with your tripe.

Why don't you STFU and learn to read the thread topic before you start running yer' trap?:

You are even more hostile than usual today. Husband beating you again?

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Originally posted by CrimsonHaze:
Link is here


Opelika paper said earlier this week that they should stop saying it.

Good read.

The issue of divisiveness is one reason I have a problem with it. Football (along with other sports) are supposed to unite us. That's what I hated the most about the Mike Vick saga in Atlanta. It turned what used to be a fairly color-blind fanbase against one another mostly along racial lines. I hate to see that when football is a fantastic opportunity to bring a diverse group of people together.

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Originally posted by David309:
Since Mississippi is almost 40 percent black, it's pretty stupid for the students (and others) to keep trying to cling to "old South" symbols and language. IT DOESN'T MATTER what you think the words and symbols mean. A giant chunk of the people of the state find it offensive, so it's going to be polarizing. On a pragmatic level, it's something that can't help with recruiting when the vast majority of the kids you're recruiting are black. It's time for them to let go of this and move on, IMO.

David

but its ok to use THE MOST offensive word as long as its sung by a rapper, used in connection with the F, MF, hoe, curse words associated with sex and drugs.........right?
maybe I dont understand, and I'm from Mississippi.

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Originally posted by amabalA:

You are even more hostile than usual today. Husband beating you again?

No..

It's just that I sometimes get a little more frustrated with people who voluntarily choose to remain ignorant..

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Originally posted by DixieH:
....if Ole Miss students don't voluntarily waive their rights to the protections afforded by the 1st Amendment:

Sure, the students have a first amendment right to say that, but the University also has the right to stop playing the song regardless of what the students think.

So what is your point? If you are trying to turn this into a constitutional issue, you are not going to win that battle.

How about the New York YANKEES? Does anyone hold the pinstripers, their owners, and their fans responsible for the atrocities of Sherman and his army? Of course not. Our society has become as "sensitive" as some of the posters on this board.

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Originally posted by Dr. Know:
but its ok to use THE MOST offensive word as long as its sung by a rapper, used in connection with the F, MF, hoe, curse words associated with sex and drugs.........right?

Nobody is trying to use that kind of trash to represent the university, so you're throwing out a complete red herring here.

David

What an individual student means when he says "the South will rise again" is futile. What does matter is the way recruits and donors interpret that statement.

90% of America would construe that statement to mean that those students want the "old south" way of life to return, including the segregation of black people from mainstream society.

By the way, the students have only been saying that phrase for the past 5 years or so. It is not a part of the song. It is just something a few people foolishly started saying and it caught on.

The University of Mississippi is desperately trying to change its image nationally in an effort to attract better professors, funding, students and athletes. Having the 08 Presidential Debate on campus was a huge step. Negative attention like this sets the University back big time. I applaud the administrators for stepping up.

The students can still chant the phrase, just like the fans at a Bama game would still chant Rammer Jammer with or without the band playing the tune.

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Originally posted by Monticello:

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Originally posted by DixieH:
....if Ole Miss students don't voluntarily waive their rights to the protections afforded by the 1st Amendment:

Sure, the students have a first amendment right to say that, but the University also has the right to stop playing the song regardless of what the students think.

So what is your point? If you are trying to turn this into a constitutional issue, you are not going to win that battle.

You totally disregarded what I said originally though:

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if Ole Miss students don't voluntarily waive their rights to the protections afforded by the 1st Amendment

I indicated as such earlier that it is a petty extortion attempt by the Ole Miss chancellor into conforming the speech of the Ole Miss students to suit his needs (which I firmly believe has more to do with collecting donations and/or the acquisition or continuance of some other corporate sponsorships/affiliations than anything else)..

So it's not a constitutional issue, but he is making an attempt to leverage/wrest the 1st Amendment away from Ole Miss students and he makes no bones about that..

It's unfortunate that cold, hard cash has become the driving force behind "amateur" athletics these days..

And invariably, wherever you find lots of money..then lots of the associated politics that comes with it isn't terribly far behind.