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Originally posted by G8trGr8t:
from one of your links and better written than my diatribe.

if we had a few moderate pubs and the blue dog dems defect and form a party of the middle, they would dominate the next election.

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Did Social Conservatism Sink Hoffman In NY-23?
Wed, 11/04/2009 - 12:33pm | posted by Doug Mataconis
Roger L. Simon thinks so:

[W]hy – in what was clearly a Republican year – did Hoffman lose? Well, there are several reasons and, yes, the Democratic victory was narrow, thinner than the five or so percent that went to withdrawn Republican nominee Scozzafava who herself endorsed the Democratic candidate. Still, the 23rd is a safely Republican, even conservative, district. In a year where the GOP racked up a 20% margin in Virginia and coasted easily in Jersey, a state in which Obama romped in ‘08 by 16%, what was the problem?

Well… I might as well say it… social conservatism. America is a fiscally conservative country – now perhaps more than ever, and with much justification – but not a socially conservative one. No, I don’t mean to say it’s socially liberal. It’s not. It’s socially laissez-faire (just as its mostly fiscally laissez-faire). Whether we’re pro-choice, pro-life or whatever we are, most of us want the government out of our bedrooms, just as we want it out of our wallets.

Hoffman’s capital-C Conservative campaign, however, tried to separate itself from the majority parties by making a big deal of the social issues. He was all upset that Scozzafava was pro-gay marriage, seemingly as upset as he was with her support for the stimulus plan. He projected the image of a bluenose in a world that increasingly doesn’t want to hear about these things. Hoffman’s is a selective vision of the nanny state – you can nanny about some things but not about others. I suspect America deeply dislikes nannying about anything.

There is, of course, a message in this for the Republican Party going forward. You can choose to emphasize the social issues or not. Today may show the former is a losing proposition.

But will conservatives listen?

Of course not.

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Originally posted by G8trGr8t:
maybe they want government out of their bedrooms and they want the ability to decide what is best for themselves rather than federal, state, or local governments telling them what they can or cannot do with their bodies. somehing about liberty and freedom.

Whether we’re pro-choice, pro-life or whatever we are, most of us want the government out of our bedrooms, just as we want it out of our wallets.

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Originally posted by G8trGr8t:
maybe they want government out of their bedrooms and they want the ability to decide what is best for themselves rather than federal, state, or local governments telling them what they can or cannot do with their bodies. somehing about liberty and freedom.

Whether we’re pro-choice, pro-life or whatever we are, most of us want the government out of our bedrooms, just as we want it out of our wallets.

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Big victory for traditional marriage in Maine

PORTLAND, Maine- Voters in Maine have rejected an effort by lawmakers there to impose homosexual "marriage" in that state.



Gay marriage has now lost in every single state -- 31 in all -- in which it has been put to a popular vote. Gay-rights activists had hoped to buck that trend in Maine -- known for its liberal-minded electorate -- and mounted an energetic, well-financed campaign. With 87 percent of the precincts reporting, proponents of traditional marriage had 53 percent of the votes.

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Originally posted by G8trGr8t:
maybe they want government out of their bedrooms and they want the ability to decide what is best for themselves rather than federal, state, or local governments telling them what they can or cannot do with their bodies. somehing about liberty and freedom.

Whether we’re pro-choice, pro-life or whatever we are, most of us want the government out of our bedrooms, just as we want it out of our wallets.

Apparently not everyone wants government out of our bedrooms.

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Big victory for traditional marriage in Maine

PORTLAND, Maine- Voters in Maine have rejected an effort by lawmakers there to impose homosexual "marriage" in that state.



Gay marriage has now lost in every single state -- 31 in all -- in which it has been put to a popular vote. Gay-rights activists had hoped to buck that trend in Maine -- known for its liberal-minded electorate -- and mounted an energetic, well-financed campaign. With 87 percent of the precincts reporting, proponents of traditional marriage had 53 percent of the votes.

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Originally posted by G8trGr8t:
maybe they want government out of their bedrooms and they want the ability to decide what is best for themselves rather than federal, state, or local governments telling them what they can or cannot do with their bodies. somehing about liberty and freedom.

Whether we’re pro-choice, pro-life or whatever we are, most of us want the government out of our bedrooms, just as we want it out of our wallets.

Apparently not everyone wants government out of our bedrooms.

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Big victory for traditional marriage in Maine

PORTLAND, Maine- Voters in Maine have rejected an effort by lawmakers there to impose homosexual "marriage" in that state.



Gay marriage has now lost in every single state -- 31 in all -- in which it has been put to a popular vote. Gay-rights activists had hoped to buck that trend in Maine -- known for its liberal-minded electorate -- and mounted an energetic, well-financed campaign. With 87 percent of the precincts reporting, proponents of traditional marriage had 53 percent of the votes.

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Originally posted by yeswecan:

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Originally posted by G8trGr8t:
maybe they want government out of their bedrooms and they want the ability to decide what is best for themselves rather than federal, state, or local governments telling them what they can or cannot do with their bodies. somehing about liberty and freedom.

Whether we’re pro-choice, pro-life or whatever we are, most of us want the government out of our bedrooms, just as we want it out of our wallets.

Apparently not everyone wants government out of our bedrooms.

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Big victory for traditional marriage in Maine

PORTLAND, Maine- Voters in Maine have rejected an effort by lawmakers there to impose homosexual "marriage" in that state.



Gay marriage has now lost in every single state -- 31 in all -- in which it has been put to a popular vote. Gay-rights activists had hoped to buck that trend in Maine -- known for its liberal-minded electorate -- and mounted an energetic, well-financed campaign. With 87 percent of the precincts reporting, proponents of traditional marriage had 53 percent of the votes.

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Interracial marriage used to be outlawed too. This is nothing more than religious beliefs and doctrine being enforced on the populace by popular vote and as this country becomes more secular, this too will pass.

This is just another example of the fact that most human beings are unfortunately more emotional than they are intellectual, a sad fact that has undoubtedly slowed the evolution of the race.

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Originally posted by G8trGr8t:

Interracial marriage used to be outlawed too. This is nothing more than religious beliefs and doctrine being enforced on the populace by popular vote and as this country becomes more secular, this too will pass.

This is just another example of the fact that most human beings are unfortunately more emotional than they are intellectual, a sad fact that has undoubtedly slowed the evolution of the race.

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Originally posted by yeswecan:

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Originally posted by G8trGr8t:

Interracial marriage used to be outlawed too. This is nothing more than religious beliefs and doctrine being enforced on the populace by popular vote and as this country becomes more secular, this too will pass.

This is just another example of the fact that most human beings are unfortunately more emotional than they are intellectual, a sad fact that has undoubtedly slowed the evolution of the race.

31-0 baybee.

I guess after Hollywood makes a few more homo movies and sitcoms, puts their millions behind perverted political candidates, buys a few more federal judges, lobbies a little harder in Congress, desensitizes society from debauchery and we slowly sink into the cesspool of gangsta rap and hip-hop the morally bankrupt of this country will have won.

Sodom and Gomorrah were once considered culturally evolutionized also.

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If your child is born homosexual, you may understand one day that it is not always a choice, but I doubt it.

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Maybe one day you will be in the perscuted ranks and understand what it is like to be the minority being dictated to by the majority who has no consideration for your feelings or beliefs.

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For the record, I am about as far from homsexual as you can get but do have friends, some since childhood, that are. I also have friends whose kids are and they have suspected it since they were little kids just by their choices of toys, likes, and dislikes. I bet you proclaim yourself to be a christian too, ask yourself WWJD?

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The staunchly religious conservative politicians have proven again and again to be some of the most perverted of the bunch, but I guess facts don't matter in your world. Pointless trying to discuss issues with you so you win. Congrats.

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ps, that is one ugly arse avatar you got.