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Originally posted by Biscuit In your Grill:

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Originally posted by Biscuit In your Grill:

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Originally posted by Biscuit In your Grill:
If I were to generalize the historical (and in many areas, unfortunately, continuing) relationship between blacks and whites in Alabama, it would be this:

If a white person were lying in the middle of the street choking and a black person saw him, the black person would just keep walking.

If a black person were lying in the middle of the street choking and a white person saw him, the white person would wait to make sure he's dead.

I already know that's going to p*ss some of you off royally, and no, that does not apply to everyone-- I already said it was a generalization. Moreover, it's all about perspective. Many, but not all, black people from Alabama (and the rest of the country, for that matter) would agree with me. Many, but not all, white people from Alabama (and the rest of the country, for that matter) would disagree with me. But when I go home, not much has changed racially since 1977-- the year Aliceville's public schools seemingly went from a 50-50 mix to 99% black overnight (really it was from May to August, but since on the last day of school my class was mixed, yet on the very next day of school it wasn't, it did seem to be kind of instantaneous).

I tend to agree with you but it is so hard for me to fathom as I would always help someone in that situation no matter who it may be.

I remember a really thought-provoking episode of "The Jeffersons" in which George Jefferson performs CPR on a white man who has made it known that he is an absolute racist. He and George had butted heads several times during this particular episode, but when the guy starts having a heart attack, George doesn't hesitate in trying to save him. Now keep in mind that George Jefferson was known for talking about "honkies" and "the man" keeping him down (even as his business prospered). When the racist comes back to, his wife (I think) tells him that George saved his life. The racist's response? "I would rather have died." The show was taped in front of a live studio audience, and you hear a black lady's voice ring out, "He should have let you." That was one of those moments that can't be planned.

How could you tell it was a BLACK lady's voice? Y'all may all look alike, but you don't sound alike. Maybe you wanted it to be so your story would be better.

YOU may not be able to tell, but I can...

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Originally posted by Biscuit In your Grill:
So all this time you thought George Jefferson and Archie Bunker were real people, and not characters in sitcoms acting out lines written by someone else? Must have, if you're comparing them to Huey. That's pretty darn sad there...

What's sad is your inability to acknowledge others see through your racist garbage.

I guess you think it clever to be a racist by proxy.

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Originally posted by mhward518:

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Originally posted by Biscuit In your Grill:

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Originally posted by mhward518:

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Originally posted by Biscuit In your Grill:

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Originally posted by �T R E Y�:

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Originally posted by Biscuit In your Grill:
If I were to generalize the historical (and in many areas, unfortunately, continuing) relationship between blacks and whites in Alabama, it would be this:

If a white person were lying in the middle of the street choking and a black person saw him, the black person would just keep walking.

If a black person were lying in the middle of the street choking and a white person saw him, the white person would wait to make sure he's dead.

I already know that's going to p*ss some of you off royally, and no, that does not apply to everyone-- I already said it was a generalization. Moreover, it's all about perspective. Many, but not all, black people from Alabama (and the rest of the country, for that matter) would agree with me. Many, but not all, white people from Alabama (and the rest of the country, for that matter) would disagree with me. But when I go home, not much has changed racially since 1977-- the year Aliceville's public schools seemingly went from a 50-50 mix to 99% black overnight (really it was from May to August, but since on the last day of school my class was mixed, yet on the very next day of school it wasn't, it did seem to be kind of instantaneous).

I tend to agree with you but it is so hard for me to fathom as I would always help someone in that situation no matter who it may be.

I remember a really thought-provoking episode of "The Jeffersons" in which George Jefferson performs CPR on a white man who has made it known that he is an absolute racist. He and George had butted heads several times during this particular episode, but when the guy starts having a heart attack, George doesn't hesitate in trying to save him. Now keep in mind that George Jefferson was known for talking about "honkies" and "the man" keeping him down (even as his business prospered). When the racist comes back to, his wife (I think) tells him that George saved his life. The racist's response? "I would rather have died." The show was taped in front of a live studio audience, and you hear a black lady's voice ring out, "He should have let you." That was one of those moments that can't be planned.

How could you tell it was a BLACK lady's voice? Y'all may all look alike, but you don't sound alike. Maybe you wanted it to be so your story would be better.

YOU may not be able to tell, but I can...

Now Bisquick, that sounds like a racist comment and I know that's not you!

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Originally posted by mhward518:

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Originally posted by Biscuit In your Grill:
If I were to generalize the historical (and in many areas, unfortunately, continuing) relationship between blacks and whites in Alabama, it would be this:

If a white person were lying in the middle of the street choking and a black person saw him, the black person would just keep walking.

If a black person were lying in the middle of the street choking and a white person saw him, the white person would wait to make sure he's dead.

I already know that's going to p*ss some of you off royally, and no, that does not apply to everyone-- I already said it was a generalization. Moreover, it's all about perspective. Many, but not all, black people from Alabama (and the rest of the country, for that matter) would agree with me. Many, but not all, white people from Alabama (and the rest of the country, for that matter) would disagree with me. But when I go home, not much has changed racially since 1977-- the year Aliceville's public schools seemingly went from a 50-50 mix to 99% black overnight (really it was from May to August, but since on the last day of school my class was mixed, yet on the very next day of school it wasn't, it did seem to be kind of instantaneous).

I tend to agree with you but it is so hard for me to fathom as I would always help someone in that situation no matter who it may be.

I remember a really thought-provoking episode of "The Jeffersons" in which George Jefferson performs CPR on a white man who has made it known that he is an absolute racist. He and George had butted heads several times during this particular episode, but when the guy starts having a heart attack, George doesn't hesitate in trying to save him. Now keep in mind that George Jefferson was known for talking about "honkies" and "the man" keeping him down (even as his business prospered). When the racist comes back to, his wife (I think) tells him that George saved his life. The racist's response? "I would rather have died." The show was taped in front of a live studio audience, and you hear a black lady's voice ring out, "He should have let you." That was one of those moments that can't be planned.

How could you tell it was a BLACK lady's voice? Y'all may all look alike, but you don't sound alike. Maybe you wanted it to be so your story would be better.

YOU may not be able to tell, but I can...

Now Bisquick, that sounds like a racist comment and I know that's not you!

How so? You just said, at least from your perspective, that we all don't sound alike. I only said that I can tell differently. How is that racist? Does the fact that I can most likely recognize a peculiar cultural dialect, but you can't, now constitute racism? Just a bit extreme, don't you think?

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I guess you think it's clever to be racist...no extenuating circumstances or caveats needed.

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Originally posted by Biscuit In your Grill:
I guess you think it's clever to be racist...no extenuating circumstances or caveats needed.

I only have racial problems with you.

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Groove's response got me to thinking about moral dilemmas.

A. George Jefferson attempted to save someone who not only had already expressed contempt for George, but who still hated George even after the act. As Groove points out, if George had refused to act, would he have been just as morally bankrupt as the other guy?

B. You're in the park playing with your two young children when you see that someone else's child (strangers to you) is wandering into a very busy street. You are much closer than the other parent, who is talking to someone and hasn't even noticed. Running into the street to save the child puts your life at danger-- in trying to save the life of this child, your own children may wind up fatherless. Is it a moral failing on your part if you don't try to save the child?

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Regarding George Jefferson's purported racism as demonstrated by the tv episode in question, would an avowed racist perform CPR on an individual of the class the racist supposedly hates?

For example, could you imagine Osama bin Laden performing CPR on Benjamin Netanyahu? Or perhaps would Huey Newton have performed CPR on Herbert Hoover?

If I was a racist and I saw a black guy having a heart attack, it seems like my reaction would be "Good, one less ****** to worry about."

Instead of taking that same attitude, George Jefferson decided to take action to save another person's life. I'm wondering if that qualifies him as a racist regardless of what he said.

People always say "I'm not racist but..." and then make some racist comment. Regardless of how you think of yourself, don't your actions say what you really are? In the context of the tv show in question, regardless of what George says or how he acts, doesn't the fact that he acted, in a moment of crisis, with compassion for another human being argue against his being racist?

Regarding the comment shouted by the black woman in the live audience that George should've let the man die, if he'd have done that, that would have been the actions of a racist, who sees people not as other human beings and as individuals but as stereotypes and as objects of loathing and fear.

I know it's just a tv show, but it got me to thinking.

I'm not sure Archie Bunker was really racist either, though he had racist and prejudiced attitudes. He was certainly ignorant but he could act towards others with a certain degree of human dignity that is usually absent in those who are "true" racists.

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Originally posted by Biscuit In your Grill:
Groove's response got me to thinking about moral dilemmas.

A. George Jefferson attempted to save someone who not only had already expressed contempt for George, but who still hated George even after the act. As Groove points out, if George had refused to act, would he have been just as morally bankrupt as the other guy?

B. You're in the park playing with your two young children when you see that someone else's child (strangers to you) is wandering into a very busy street. You are much closer than the other parent, who is talking to someone and hasn't even noticed. Running into the street to save the child puts your life at danger-- in trying to save the life of this child, your own children may wind up fatherless. Is it a moral failing on your part if you don't try to save the child?

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Originally posted by Biscuit In your Grill:
Groove's response got me to thinking about moral dilemmas.

A. George Jefferson attempted to save someone who not only had already expressed contempt for George, but who still hated George even after the act. As Groove points out, if George had refused to act, would he have been just as morally bankrupt as the other guy?

B. You're in the park playing with your two young children when you see that someone else's child (strangers to you) is wandering into a very busy street. You are much closer than the other parent, who is talking to someone and hasn't even noticed. Running into the street to save the child puts your life at danger-- in trying to save the life of this child, your own children may wind up fatherless. Is it a moral failing on your part if you don't try to save the child?

If a tree falls in a forest and no person is there to hear. Does it make a sound?

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1. Sound is not limited to humans.

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3. Given your well-proven lack of moral character, any attempt by you to actually answer my questions would probably lead to a complete mental collapse on your part...oops.