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What is even more alarming is that a monthly abortion premium will be charged of all enrollees in the government-run plan. It’s right there on line 16, page 96, section 213, under “Insurance Rating Rules.” The premium will be paid into a U.S. Treasury account - and these federal funds will be used to pay for the abortion services.

Section 213 describes the process in which the Health Benefits Commissioner is to assess the monthly premiums that will be used to pay for elective abortions under the government-run plan. The Commissioner must charge at a minimum $1 per enrollee per month.


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No it won't.


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Originally posted by Biscuit In your Grill:
No it won't.


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No it won't.


Did you pull up the bill? Didn't think so.
 
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Stop blatant dumbassery...before it's too late.


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Stop blatant dumbassery...before it's too late.


Start with yourself.

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* Allows private health insurance plans that cover elective abortion to receive government subsidies (Section 222(e)(2)) (The bill also includes the Capps provision that purports to segregate the “federal dollars” from “private dollars” that are used to pay for abortions (Sections 303(e)(2); 341(c)(3)) – but nothing alters the fact that this provision allows government dollars to go to private plans that cover abortion);
* Permits the public option to include abortion coverage (Section 222(e)(3));
* Ensures that one plan in every coverage area covers abortion (Section 303(e)(1)(A)).


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The language in the bill is so full of legalese it intentionally uses a sleight of hand to try and convice people that public money won't be used for abortions. What a load of bullshat.

From the bill itself.

(e) Abortion Coverage Prohibited as Part of Minimum Benefits Package-CommentsClose CommentsPermalink

(1) PROHIBITION OF REQUIRED COVERAGE- The Health Benefits Advisory Committee may not recommend under section 223(b), and the Secretary may not adopt in standards under section 224(b), the services described in paragraph (4)(A) or (4)(B) as part of the essential benefits package and the Commissioner may not require such services for qualified health benefits plans to participate in the Health Insurance Exchange.CommentsClose CommentsPermalink

(2) VOLUNTARY CHOICE OF COVERAGE BY PLAN- In the case of a qualified health benefits plan, the plan is not required (or prohibited) under this Act from providing coverage of services described in paragraph (4)(A) or (4)(B) and the QHBP offering entity shall determine whether such coverage is provided.CommentsClose CommentsPermalink

(3) COVERAGE UNDER PUBLIC HEALTH INSURANCE OPTION- The public health insurance option shall provide coverage for services described in paragraph (4)(B). Nothing in this Act shall be construed as preventing the public health insurance option from providing for or prohibiting coverage of services described in paragraph (4)(A).CommentsClose CommentsPermalink

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(4) ABORTION SERVICES-CommentsClose CommentsPermalink

(A) ABORTIONS FOR WHICH PUBLIC FUNDING IS PROHIBITED- The services described in this subparagraph are abortions for which the expenditure of Federal funds appropriated for the Department of Health and Human Services is not permitted, based on the law as in effect as of the date that is 6 months before the beginning of the plan year involved.CommentsClose CommentsPermalink

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(B) ABORTIONS FOR WHICH PUBLIC FUNDING IS ALLOWED- The services described in this subparagraph are abortions for which the expenditure of Federal funds appropriated for the Department of Health and Human Services is permitted, based on the law as in effect as of the date that is 6 months before the beginning of the plan year involved.

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This argument is beyond misleading -- it is truly absurd. As a matter of law, and in the terminology used throughout the government, all of the funds that would be spent by the public plan would be federal funds, public funds. Rep. Capps and the others who are exerting themselves in the ludicrous exercise of attempting to label government agency spending as "private" are doing so for a transparently political purpose: To conceal the reality that H.R. 3200 would establish direct federal government funding of elective abortion by the government insurance plan, and would also result in large-scale federal subsidies for private health plans that pay for elective abortions. Both of those effects would be sharp departures from longstanding federal policy.



The Capps-Waxman Amendment explicitly authorizes the Secretary of HHS to pay for elective abortions, any abortions, under the government plan. The public plan would be a program within the Department of Health and Human Services (DHHS), part of the federal Executive Branch, headed by the Secretary of HHS. Under the Capps-Waxman Amendment, abortion providers would send their bills to DHHS. They would receive in payment checks drawn on a federal Treasury account, which are federal funds, public funds. This would be direct federal government funding of elective abortion.

With few exceptions, funds under the control of and expended by an agency of the federal government cannot accurately be described as "private funds." For example, the funds in a citizen's bank account are private, but once he or she writes a check to the IRS to pay income taxes, the funds become federal government funds, public funds, deposited in a U.S. Treasury account. The same is true here. Once a public plan enrollee makes a "premium" payment to DHHS, the funds are no longer "private" -- they are federal government funds, as truly and completely as the funds that the government gathers from income taxes, user fees, fines, and other sources.



NRLC has issued a memorandum proving that all of the funds that would be expended by the "public option," and also all of the funds that would flow to the premium-subsidy program, would be in fact "federal funds," both as a matter of law, and in the usage of those terms by and about federal agencies across the board. The memorandum contains links to primary documents from the CBO, GAO, and the nonpartisan Congressional Research Service.) It is here:
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Private plans that get federal subsidies are still public money.
 
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America is in need of a very violent enema.


me cago en obama
 
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America is in need of a very violent enema.
And since you're obviously a douche...


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Too bad Pelosi wasnt aborted
 
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Too bad Pelosi wasnt aborted


Obama supports killing babies and wants you to pay for it.
 
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